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		<title>A Tale of Two Suicide Squads</title>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I have written articles for this site, wrote on my own blog and shouting at people on the street about how disappointed I was with 2016&#8217;s <em>Suicide Squad</em>. It was a film I had high expectations for, was immensely looking forward to and is perhaps the most disappointed I have been in any film ever. For things to be truly disappointing, for the awfulness to really hurt, there needs to be some potential and there were good things about this film. So in an age when film studios never let a failure stand in the way of making more money a new film about this bunch of supervillains sent on suicidal missions was to be made &#8211; a sort of reboot, keeping the good things and cutting away the bad. Margot Robbie as <a href="https://bigpicturefilmclub.com/review-birds-of-prey-harley-quinn/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Harley Quinn</a> was kept, as was Rick Flag, Captain Boomerang and Amanda Waller and with a new director was James Gunn, who had had massive success with <em>Guardians of the Galaxy</em>. So, which is the better film?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Using an expression from movies, we shall cut to the chase &#8211; 2021&#8217;s <em>The Suicide Squad </em>is by far the superior film, in that&#8217;s it good, a bar the 2016 film failed to meet. <em>TSS</em> really leans into the madcap over the top nature of the premise and raises the stakes with the bizarre members &#8211; including Swedish Olympian Javelin, the mysteriously named TDK (played by the always awesome Nathan Fillion) and the Weasel, who is just a big weasel. The fact that the squad members are very much disposable is also front and centre &#8211; a tagline for the film was &#8220;Don&#8217;t Get Attached&#8221; suggesting impending doom for some of the squad. In every measure from acting, cinematography, soundtrack, TSS is better than <em>Suicide Squad</em>. </p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Harley Quinn and The Rest</h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If perhaps not the most useful or powerful member of the squad undoubtedly Harley Quinn is the fan favourite and arguably central character of both films. Wisely TSS has had nothing to do with the Joker and is not even really referenced him. The backstory of the relationship between Harley and the Joker is genuinely horrific and it would be impossible to include the Joker and not drag the rest of the film down with it. Harley has more agency in <em>TSS</em>, she isn&#8217;t pining for the Joker, makes positive decisions regarding her life (if rather drastic ones) and rescues herself. The most important relationship for Harley in the film is her friendship with Rick Flag and she does talk about her bad taste in men and what she&#8217;s trying to do that about. Margot Robbie&#8217;s performance builds on previous roles as Harley and is making her into an increasingly complex character.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">2016&#8217;s <em>Suicide Squad</em> was rightly criticised for introducing characters who did nothing and had no point in being there. <em>TSS</em> neatly sidesteps this problem with a great scene early in the film, and two of the lesser-known characters (completely unknown to me) Ratcatcher II and Polka-Dot Man have some of the most poignant and interesting moments &#8211; something its predecessor simply did not have.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Another thing 2016&#8217;s <em>Suicide Squad</em> didn&#8217;t have &#8211; Peacemaker. John Cena&#8217;s bizarre &#8220;hero&#8221; who loves peace and freedom so much he will kill anyone he has to so he can achieve it is certainly memorable. While extremely proficient at killing people he is also quite dim and his ridiculous, contradictory declarations are always funny. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As for the plot &#8211; 2016&#8217;s<em> Suicide Squad</em> barely seemed to have one and whilst the plot in <em>TSS</em> is ridiculous it makes sense, bringing in American geo-political interests, military coups and superweapons. There is a lot going on in <em>TSS</em> and there are numerous flashbacks and similar devices to set up the plot and this can be a bit jarring but it&#8217;s not difficult to follow. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An interesting addition to <em>TSS</em> was seeing more of the team behind the squad. We once again had Amanda Waller, the ruthless government agent more than happy to throw numerous prisoners to certain death, but also what is essentially her tech team. The IT types who manage the satellite feed, the communications, the people who make her nefarious plans possible. Some of these people are very much nerds and they are perhaps the &#8220;normal&#8221; people amongst giant sharks, impossibly expert sharpshooters and evil scientists. At times we are literally seeing the action from their point of view and they mirror the ethical problems we might have with Amanda Waller&#8217;s methods.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So in this titanic battle<em> The Suicide Squad</em> triumphs over <em>Suicide Squad</em> and despite my cynical attitude on certain companies and their <a href="https://bigpicturefilmclub.com/films-that-dont-need-a-sequel-reboot/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">willingness to endlessly reboot things</a> it was nice that the Suicide Squad got to fight another day.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Also Read:</strong> <a href="https://bigpicturefilmclub.com/suicide-squad-the-ayer-cut/"><em>Suicide Squad: Release The Ayer Cut</em></a></p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">2016&#8217;s <strong>Suicide Squad</strong> was one of the biggest disappointments of the year. It was a film I was very excited about as I enjoy the idea of the good guys being the bad guys. Sadly, it wasn&#8217;t a good film, Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn being perhaps it&#8217;s best feature, which has lead to Robbie reprising the role for <strong>Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey</strong> and James Gunn&#8217;s <strong>The Suicide Squad</strong>. Director David Ayer though is now pushing for the film to be released the way he had originally intended &#8211; The Ayer Cut.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Ayer Cut comes hot on the heels of the Snyder Cut of <strong><a href="https://bigpicturefilmclub.com/the-snyder-cut-saga/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Justice League</a></strong>, the DC film originally directed by Zack Snyder who was replaced by Joss Whedon after a family tragedy for Snyder. Fans campaigned for a version they believed was closer to what Snyder had envisioned and were successful. Ayer now wants the same for <strong>Suicide Squad</strong>. Ayer has said <a href="https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/1322376380034605056?s=20" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">forty minutes of his film</a> was cut by the studio which would surely have an impact on any film. Studios insisting on their own edits of films is nothing new &#8211; sci-fi classic <strong><a href="https://bigpicturefilmclub.com/retro-review-blade-runner-2049/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Blade Runner</a> </strong>had voiceover added that completely changed central parts of the film, leading to a slew of other &#8220;cuts&#8221; that better represented what director Ridley Scott had in mind. </p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Suicide Squad</strong> was unpopular with both critics and fans (but there are those who champion the film, or at least parts of it) and the film had many problems.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list"><li><strong>The Joker</strong> &#8211; while not a pivotal character in the film  Jared Leto&#8217;s portrayal still managed to attract a lot of disdain with few people enjoying it. While I didn&#8217;t care for it I didn&#8217;t judge Leto or Ayer too harshly, following in the footsteps of Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger&#8217;s legendary performances they needed to make a distinctive Joker &#8211; it didn&#8217;t work but at least they tried.</li><li><strong>The Characters</strong> &#8211; When you have a large ensemble cast you run the risk of no character having enough time and this certainly felt true of <strong>Suicide Squad</strong>. The introduction of every character felt rushed and bare bones and I didn&#8217;t really care about any of the characters. There were characters like Katana who just seemed to be there &#8211; another person to fill out the cast without serving any purpose (despite having an interesting character premise).</li><li><strong>The Villain</strong> -I am a firm believer in that the secret of success for many comic book films is the villain. <strong>The Dark Knight</strong> had Heath Ledger&#8217;s Joker, <strong>Black Panther</strong> had Michael B. Jordan&#8217;s Eric Killmonger, after a lacklustre villain in Red Skull having Robert Redford play Alexander Pierce in <strong>Captain America: The Winter Soldier</strong> was a stroke of genius. <strong>Suicide Squad</strong> had a  witch&#8230;or her brother, and her brother? The film was always going to be in a tricky place with a villain as the whole point is they&#8217;re the villains but undoubtedly the forgettable villain they had wasn&#8217;t good enough.</li></ul>



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<h3 class="wp-block-heading" style="font-size:24px">James Gunn&#8217;s The Suicide Squad</h3>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Of course, this battle is yet to be resolved on the horizon is the release of <strong>The Suicide Squad</strong>. How will The Ayer Cut effect this? I doubt it will at all. It seems most people have simply written off <strong>Suicide Squad</strong> as a mistake, the Ayer Cut is at most a chance to show there was a good film there. The success or failure of The Ayer Cut will not matter and I doubt would have any impact on the already inconsistent DCEU.</p>



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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" style="font-size:24px">Will It Happen?</h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If the fans get behind the idea it probably will. The Snyder Cut really did show that fans have the power to get alternate cuts released and there&#8217;s no reason to give up that power. Whilst in this instance it&#8217;s being done under the impetus of the director, it&#8217;s important to remember that fans don&#8217;t always know best, for years there was a Kickstarter campaign to edit Martin Scorsese&#8217;s <strong>The Departed</strong>, specifically to digitally remove the rat that appears in the final scene. Whether or not you feel this was a bad decision by Scorsese I think you need to essentially trust a director on their decisions. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before we all start clamouring for new cuts of films we feel could have been improved, remember <strong>Star Wars</strong> is a prime example of that sometimes it&#8217;s just better to leave things alone and that you can never please all of the fans.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Also Read: </strong><a href="https://bigpicturefilmclub.com/flashpoint-defining-dceu-batman-flash/"><strong><em>Flashpoint: The Defining Film of the DCEU</em></strong></a></p>


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